Nov. 11, 2025

Don’t Rely on Services Like Trust & Will or LegalZoom for Your Estate Plan

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You’ve probably seen ads promising an easy, low-cost way to draft your will or trust online. But here’s the thing: your family, your assets, and your goals are far too important to leave to a fill-in-the-blank template. Let’s talk about why.
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Well, good afternoon, Michiganers, and welcome back to Tuesday with Tom,

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Michigan's Only podcast, where we talk about estate planning, a

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state settlement, and everything in between. As always, I'm your host,

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Tom Doyle, a state planning attorney, lifelong Michigan resident, an

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ambassador for everything good in this great state of Michigan. Welcome,

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Welcome to today's episode. Well, just a brief cap. Brief

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recap last episode More things you need to know about

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a helock. Last couple episodes, I talked about possibly using

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helocks as a way to lock down your title to

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your home so that someone can't fraudulently transfer it, and

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I talked about why that is the case and how

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it would work. And then the last episode I gave

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even some more ideas if you're going to consider a helock,

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what you might be looking for and getting that. So

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if that's a concern to you, I invite you listen

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to the last couple episodes. Well something today. Don't rely

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on services like Trust and Will or Legal Zoom for

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your state plan But please remember what I'm about to

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discuss is meant to be educational and informative. It is

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not legal advice. Every person's situation is different, so be

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sure to talk with your own attorney to figure out

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what makes the most sense for you and your estate plan.

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Don't rely on services like Trust and Will or Legal

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Zoom for your state plan. You've probably heard the advertisements

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or seen them on the internet. You can go to

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a service like Trust and Will, which is one of

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the newer ones. It's an attorney created service, or a

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more one that's been around quite a bit longer. Legal Zooms. Well,

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today we're going to talk about why you shouldn't rely

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upon those services in creating your estate plan, and it's

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a topic I feel very strongly about. Bottom line, having

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a state plan is not simply about having a legal

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document created for you, and that's all those services do.

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We're going to talk in a minute about what they

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actually do for you. But simply having a legal document

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created for you is not having an estate plan. The

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legal documents, in the end, are simply the tools that

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are going to be used to carry out your state plan.

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So it's to look at your goals, what you're trying

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to accomplish, and then utilizing the documents that appropriately fulfill

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those goals. And so if you don't know what you're doing,

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and you decide to prepare the documents yourself so or

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even buy them through one of these online services. What

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you're not getting, even though they say created by a lawyer,

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that's not saying the lawyer has anything to do with

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your estate plan. What you're not getting with any of

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those services is a knowledge and experience of an estate

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planning attorney who can help you determine what documents are

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appropriate for you, what you actually need, and what those

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documents are saying. So let me just start out at

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this point. Do you know what you're doing? So you

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think I'm going to go online, I'm going to do

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a will or a trust using one of these services,

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do you know what you're doing? Well, Amanda, and I

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let me give you an example. A man and I

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met with some prospective clients a while back. They had

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come to one of our seminars, they said, an appointment

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after that seminar. They came in to see us and

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they put on the table in front of us the

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various estate planning documents that they had prepared themselves using

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an online service. And when they began the conversation, they

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said some thing like, well, you know, we're certain that

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all these documents are in order, and we're really not

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sure that they need to be double checked, but we

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wanted to talk about making some changes. So they weren't

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coming to us to ask us to review the documents

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for whether or not they were correct. They were coming

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to us because now they're looking at trying to make

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some changes, and what they're realizing is the online service

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that they used didn't allow for making changes to their documents.

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So I started out picked up their will, and after

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reading the first sentence of the will, I asked them

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when they had lived in Texas, to which they replied, well,

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we'd never lived in Texas, and why is it that

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you're asking that question. Well, it turns out that in

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the first sentence of the will I was reading, it

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said that I, John Smith, being a resident of Texas,

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do make this my last will and testament. And so

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clearly knew at that point that they didn't understand what

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they had even done. If they couldn't have even realized

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that the very first sentence of the legal documents were

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actually for the wrong state. Well, so Legal Zoom, Trust

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and Will, two of the big players out there right now.

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They make it sound very much like we're going to

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provide you great legal services. You can get these documents

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prepared and it's going to be matching up to the

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information that you're providing to us. Well, let's take a

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look at some of the terms and services. Now, this

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is the contract mind you. For example, legal Zoom. If

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you use legal Zoom, they have terms and services on

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their website and this is what they're saying to you.

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In part, LegalZoom dot Com provides an online legal portal

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to give visitors a general understanding of the law and

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to provide an automated software solution to individuals who choose

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to prepare their own legal documents. So stop right there.

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Does that say that legal zoom is providing you documents

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that are appropriate? Does that say that legal zoom is

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looking at what you're trying to accomplish, what your estate

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planning goals are, and trying to create documents that match it. No,

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they're simply providing an automated software solution if you choose

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to prepare your own Continuing, at no time do we

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review your answers for legal sufficiency, draw legal conclusions, provide

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legal advice, opinions or recommendations about your legal rights. Remedies, defenses, options,

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selections of forms or strategies, or apply the law to

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the fact of your particular situation. That's essentially what lawyers

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do when they're working with you to create your estate plan,

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and legal Zoom is clearly saying they don't do it.

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In fact, following up to that paragraph, legal zoom, its

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services and its forms or templates are not a substitute

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for the advice or services of an attorney. So, again,

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using something like legal Zoom, they're basically saying, you know

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what you're doing, you know what the documents mean, You're

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able to create those documents. We're just here basically fill

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in some blanks and we're going to split some documents

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value out for you. So let's look at Trust and Will,

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one of the newer ones that certainly markets itself, has

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been created by lawyers. Again, terms of service. This is

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the contract that you're entering into with Trust and Wills.

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Part of the terms of service says, while Trust and

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Will strives to ensure that it's automated services are complete,

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they are intended for use as a self help form.

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The materials and services are not substitutes for an advice

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and an attorney. So if you're looking to have recommendations

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made to you when you type in your information, and

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you're expecting that that computer is going to spit out

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documents that match your particular circumstances, what your goals are,

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what you are trying to do, trust in Wilms is

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basically saying we are not doing that. In fact, they say,

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as part of our services, we offer self help fill

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in the blank forms. So you're just going to fill

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in the blank. Are the blanks right? Well, look at

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that will that was done by the client who brought

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it in. They filled in the blanks. I don't know

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how the blanks got filled in to say that they

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lived in Texas. Somehow that happened and they didn't even

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recognize that had happened to them. And again, trust and Wills,

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our services are not substitutes for the advice of an attorney.

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And if you need legal advice for your specific matter,

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or if your matter is too complex to be addressed

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by our tools, you should consult an attorney in your area.

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Let's go back. If you need legal advice for your

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specific matter, well, isn't that what you want when you're

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having your estate plan done? You want advice that is

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applicable to your specific circumstances. And they go on explain

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even further. They talk about they have this error checking process,

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and they make it sound like, oh, we're going to

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make sure that everything is correct. Well, what does the

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error review? What is that? By trust and will? This

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air review does not include any assessment of legal accuracy

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or validity of the documents, compliance with current state or

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federal laws, appropriateness of the documents for your service, tax implications,

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are consequences or potential conflicts with other state planning documents

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you may have. So all they are doing with their

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error is a're making sure that name seem to match up.

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There is nothing more involved than that. And so I

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have to believe when you're looking at getting your state

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planning documents prepared, you want to make sure that they

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are legally accurate. You want to make sure that they

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comply with current state laws. You want to make sure

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that they're specifically appropriate for your situation, that tax and

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other consequences have been considered, and make sure there isn't

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a potential conflict with other estate planning documents. Now, both

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of these services look at their websites. They both talk

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about oh, we have lawyers. We have lawyers, you can

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click a button, you can pay an additional money, and

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we have experienced lawyers. When you really read through what

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those experienced lawyers are doing, they're not designing your estate plan.

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You've already designed the estate plan, You've already prepaid the documents.

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That's all done before the lawyer gets involved at all.

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And look and be considered. Look carefully, if you're going

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to use one of those services, what is the lawyer

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actually doing for you? Because in many cases, what you're

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really doing is you're buying a prepaid legal plan. Prepaid

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legal plan, Okay, I'm prepaying a lawyer for some legal

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advice that I suggest to you is not the same

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thing as a lawyer looking what you're trying to accomplish,

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understanding what your circumstances are, understanding what you're trying, what

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your goals are, and then actually designing documents to fit

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those goals. The lawyer is not designing your legal or

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your trust in will documents. The lawyer is not designing

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your legal zoom documents. Those are all being done by

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those services, not by the lawyers. So one size doesn't

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fit all. Every family is unique maybe you've got a

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blended family, or you've got children from prior marriages, or

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you've got a special needs child, or you've got charitable goals,

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or maybe you've got some complex business interests. Well, unless

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you can design the forms yourself, an online form can't

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capture those nuances. And again you're not getting personal advice

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or guidance. There's no attorney advising you which type of

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trust or whether you even need a trust. The assumption

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when they indicate we are trust in wills is that

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everybody should have a trust will, not everybody should have

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a trust. You're looking for a lawyer to advise you

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what your strategies should be to accomplish your goals, and

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in some cases that would be having a trust. In

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some cases that not trust in will or legal Zoom

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is never ever going to talk about using beneficiary designations

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in lieu of possibly having a trust, or using beneficiary

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designations as part of a plan to avoid probate and

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understanding what the consequences are of these various beneficiary designation

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that you're using, And they're not going to talk to

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you about how do you coordinate your will your trust

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with your retirement accounts or with your life insurance, or

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how you can minimize taxes or even avoid probate complications.

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And let's be honest, these are the kinds of things

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that can make or break your estate plan. And I

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mentioned earlier. Laws change, documents get outdated, they need to

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be updated. And because the laws change, because these things change,

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none of these services will be there updating your documents

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for you. So bottom line, online platforms simply are not

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equipped to handle your estate planning. It might be advanced planning,

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maybe you're going to have some advanced trust, maybe you're

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going to be planning for asset protection strategies, or maybe

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you've got some complex family dynamics that you need to address.

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Maybe you're trying to disinherit a child a very frequent one.

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These services aren't designed for that sort of planning. So

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when you work with an experience to state planning attorney,

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you get more than documents. You get education and advice

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tailored to your family's needs. You get the confidence that

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your plan will work when your family needs it most,

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and you avoid costly mistakes to ensure that your wishes

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are clearly understood. Ask yourself, if you prepare your own will,

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and you don't do it right. What's the worst thing

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that could happen. Well, you're not going to be here

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to find out. If it's done wrong. It will be

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your loved ones who will be affected by an improperly,

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poorly drafted document, Isn't that really? The reason to have

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the estate plan is so that you have the peace

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of mind from knowing that your loved ones will be

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protected after your death. So, while I appreciate that having

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an estate plan prepared costs money, the point of hiring

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an estate planning attorney is so that the attorney's knowledge

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and experience can be used to prevent additional grief and

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heartache to your family after you have died. And your family,

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I submit to you and your legacy deserves more than

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one size fits all temp plate. Now, if you used

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an online service in the past, I'm not judging you

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for that, but certainly if you have, you need to

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make sure that you've had it reviewed by an estate

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planning attorney so you can be sure that it does

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do exactly what you're trying to do with your estate plan.

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help you protect the people you love. Whether that means

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creating a brand new estate plan or updating an existing one,

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or guiding you through the estate planning settlement process during

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a full time And let me just mention this, because

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the number of clients are going to walk into the office,

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they're going to PLoP down the documents that they got

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on legal Zoom, and they're going to say something like, oh,

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you know, I understand it should only take about one

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hundred dollars worth of your time to review these documents. Well,

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that's not the way it works, not with our office.

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If you're going to bring in documents that we're created

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someplace else, we need to read each and every word

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and every paragraph and every comma and every colon in

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those documents to make sure that we understand them and

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to make sure that we can adequately advise you on

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what those documents mean. So it's not as simple you're

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just going to drop these things off and for one

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hundred bucks, somebody's going to review it, certainly not in

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our office. So if that's what you're really looking for,

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don't waste your time coming to us, because that's not

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how we're going to handle it. In the end, it

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can well be just as costly to have us review

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your disting documents as it would have been to have

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us prepared documents in the beginning for you. So just

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simply keep that in mind. When you're looking at attorneys

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and an attorney says to you, Hey, for a quick

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careful of what are they actually doing. Are they really

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reading every word? Are they taking the time to understand

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every paragraph or they just kind of skimming through it

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and going to give you an off the cuff remark

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on what they think. Now, if you want to meet

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through zoom or phone wherever you happen to be in Michigan.

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the legal store is all available at our website, DOYLELAWPC

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and schedule your consultation today. Well, I think that that's

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